Comments on: Krishnamurti’s Art of Teaching Without Teaching

By: I V RAMA RAJU

I V RAMA RAJU — Wed, 11 May 2011 18:27:43 +0000

ON SHARING WITH JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI FOUNDATIONS( A poem from A spark from the sky)
The life lived by KRISHNAMURTI still in his ever new tasty teachings;
A rarest in human history, ‘a Rajahamsa’ with ever flying wings.
Fortunate ‘those’ touched his artful, heart-full and nectar-full pot;
Even Ambanis and Bill gates could not get it with their business thought.
Wondering when his lively essence flows to all human senses!
To have their lives ever enjoyable with their own innovative verses.
Just with no sound Ram G varma’ success with ever resound;
The art with no heart only at Holly-Bollywood’s’ surround?
More magic BABAs from sky suddenly falling and finally failing;
Arresting their followers as those innocent Lions in a circus ring.
Then why this lively Ganges “K” still stationary as a line of drawing paper?
May drench from the Himalayas all our rigid hearts with its pure flowing water!
The teachings ‘ever fresh’ of JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI
Once ignited me; hence –‘ A SPARK FROM THE SKY’.
It is not a matter of any outside formal influence;
But your very own spirits to release from your conditional sentence.
“K “ is not a routine philosopher ;he is none,
The one in all and only one as that daily sun.
Sure; we all find again Adam and Eve times’ innocent earth,
Generations may gently move only with their inner mirth.
May we lead lives ‘ a fresh’ as a common lovely family;
Just like our spinning planets together tied in our solar family?
With
Love
I.V. RAMA RAJU,(mail- ivyramaraju@gmail.com)
AUTHOR OF ‘A SPARK FROM THE SKY’. Published by Frog books,Mumbai,INDIA

By: Jason Cooper

Jason Cooper — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:40:43 +0000

Hi Rama,

Thank you for your affectionate comment regarding K.

By: I V RAMA RAJU

I V RAMA RAJU — Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:01:30 +0000

Never and ever we equally shared material things on this very earth with those ever radiating rays of that shiny sun,
but mentally; by all could be shared the very living in its full depth with its meaning by his teachings(Krishnaji)and ‘he is only the gifted one’

By: Jason Cooper

Jason Cooper — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:01:28 +0000

Hi Shaka,

Thank you for your insightful comment on the life of K.

Hypocrite or not, the teachings of K is what matters, which we’ll do well to learn from and to apply to our conflict-ridden lives.

I can think of quite a few other so-called great teachers and spiritual leaders who led contradictory lives that would make even K look like a saint.

By: Shaka

Shaka — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:23:19 +0000

Between 1938 to 1947 Krishnamurti was living in Ojai with his friend and his friend’s wife and he did not travel in that period because of the war. Between these years, he was not a enlightened man at all. Probably there was a fight between him and the couple after the “affair” and he left the home and made a house in Ojai’s Forest. There he lives for long years and comes very close to total enlightment. Krishnamurti’s close friends say that on those years K was gone under severes transformations but only in 1949 he had the “final” experience that freed his mind forever.
I think there was two Krishnamurtis one before the period of enlightment(1938-1949) and the OTHER.
In one of his talks in 1980′s he said to the people that he never had sex. He also said that he never read buddha’s teaching nor the sacred books of India. But it was not true, when he was a child in the theosophy it was part of his education to read all religius books. But he refuse to say that he had read any of them. Because when he develop the New Mind all things that he done in life before 1938 has not vallue to him. It’s not a question of hipocrisy but his feeling was that he had no past.
His teaching says that a freeman is free from sexual desires and from everything that exists in human’s mind actually. Freedom is the very seeing that all the things that one can think, all ideas are one’s misery and ALL kinds of desires are include in this.

I don’t know if this text is correct because I never study english grammatical rules in my life. (laughts)
Because of my very little knowledge on english I hope you don’t dislikes terms like “total enlightment”. try to interpret this, I don’t know how to express somethings.

Shaka V

By: Jason Cooper

Jason Cooper — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:01:01 +0000

Hi David,

Let my argument crumble then, as I wasn’t arguing to begin with. And I certainly do not have any mental hangups although I am prone to the odd error or two like any other human being (call it old age).

Although re-reading the part you mentioned, I may have been a tad harsh about K’s choice of behavior. I in no way was attempting to criticise a man who has helped me more than most in liberating my mind and learning about myself. I just wanted to give an objective view of K, good or bad.

Admittedly, whatever K chose to do in his spare time was up to him and does not detract from the teachings themselves. Believe me, I’m no moralist – but obviously some people (with mental hangups as you like to call it) looking at his life with a conventional point of view will think K was somewhat hypocritical and wrong for sleeping with his best friend’s wife. But who am I to judge, I’m no angel myself, nor ever wish to be.

As for: “how did Jiddu find the time for this extracurricular activity in-between all the many talks and traveling that he did? The answer was, I don’t know, and that is still the case even today.” I was mostly speaking with tongue-in-cheek and with a bit of humor (excuse me if that wasn’t obvious), especially with as you said, that Krishnamurti perhaps traveled more-so than any man in history yet still found the time to relieve his sexual desires.

K wasn’t’ the first man to have an affair and he certainly won’t be the last. As feminists would say, “He is a man after all!”

Thank you for your insights anyway, my friend, and have a good day

By: David N

David N — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:47:27 +0000

Hi,

I can answer your questions if you’ll allow me by adopting a Krishnamurtian method of trying to get you to observe your own inner thinking about the questions you posed and the conclusions you’ve derived. Let’s begin…

You assert a ‘flaw’ in his character and that he was a hypocrite. Your evidence for this is what exactly? The only thing you cite is that he had a physical affair, but in what way does that contradict his teachings? If you read Mary Lutyens book ‘Krishnamurti and the Rajagopals’, which was a response to the trashy biography written by Radha Rajagopal Sloss, then you will find that your argument crumbles. K never made out that sex was a bad thing and he often spoke out against this institute of marriage because it implies ownership and restriction. Marriage is EXclusive, whereas love – as defined by K – is INclusive. Surely your objection to this part of Krishnamurti’s life is down to your own mental hang ups about what defines ‘proper character’ and behaviour, because it in no way goes against what he said.

Also, just to clear up this point for you: “how did Jiddu find the time for this extracurricular activity in-between all the many talks and travelling that he did? The answer was, I don’t know, and that is still the case even today.” – well, this is actually a lot simpler than you might at first think. While it is on record that Krishnamurti travelled more than any man in history, the affair started during the second world war years and at that time he did no travelling whatsoever. He was stuck in Ojai with the Rajagopals for several years and shared the same house! Rajagopal was a workaholic with a separate office, so K and Rosalind were alone for most of the time together. I hope this helps piece things together for you.

All the best,
David N

By: Jason Cooper

Jason Cooper — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:48:03 +0000

Thank you, Mr Blobby,

None of us are perfect and I try not to judge another person’s actions that may seemingly go against convention.

Krishnamurti however, was an extraordinary man who was human like the rest of us.

Before Krishnamurti died he made sure to tell his friends that he had no wish for a funeral…”burn or do whatever you want to my body. Forget me the person, but don’t forget the teachings.”

So despite the so-called immoral things he may or may not have done, the most important thing was his enlightening message to the rest of us, which will stand the test of time.

Cheers Blobby!

By: Mr Blobby

Mr Blobby — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:11:29 +0000

Very interesting article, CooperMan…

How very encouraging it is, that ALL of our great (so-called) heroes are to some degree HYPOCRITES & to a very large degree FALLIBLE.

Fortunately, the HUMAN CONDITION applies to all humans!

Perhaps, K was testing himself & his BEST FRIEND with his own ideas of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE (both internalized & externalized)? It is easy to LOVE a friend that gives… but, try loving a friend that is having sex with your wife!

Also, do we know what sort of relationship his friend had, with his wife? A loveless marriage is a very sad thing… So, who am i (any of us) to deny a human being a few fleeting moments of passion & tenderness? i think CooperMan understands this…